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		<title>By: Ivar Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://sarahaskew.net/2010/02/04/the-end-of-gravity-as-we-know-it/comment-page-1/#comment-10725</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivar Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very concept of &quot;Gravity&quot; should really be separated in several parts.

1. The nuclear lumping part.
2. The interaction of celestial objects.

AD 1: When a molecular cloud is hit by electric forces, electromagnetic fields are created and the cloud is set in a swirling movement via the angular momentum, accelerating and heating up gasses and dust to the plasma stage. This plasma are sorted out and lumped together via the electromagnetic circulation, creating larger spheres of gas and dust that becomes stars and planets etc. that are slung out from the swirling centre via the simple centrifugal force when the spheres becomes sufficiently heavier than the momentum in the swirling cloud.
This is the general formation of galaxies and solar systems and here the &quot;gravity contraction&quot; is a build in force of electricity and magnetic field and not a separate force at all.

AD 2: The celestial interaction cannot be understood fully unless it is understood as a pushing force - mostly from the Sun and secondary from the galaxy. The Earth is under pressure form both these forces and the interaction of other celestial objects can only be understood as having a &quot;directly pressure&quot; or any form of &quot;&quot;shaded pressure&quot; when planets and moons are in some kind of alignment or not.

The Pioneer anomaly is just a result of decreasing effect from the solar pressure and increasing effect from the galaxy - the very same interacting forces that creates the excentric orbiting plane of the solar system planets.

That is: The Newtonian laws of attraction should be completely dismissed and ditto with the Einstein &quot;curvation of space&quot; law. Every movement in the space is rotating, orbiting and swirling and as such moves in all kind of curves in the space. It is not the space itself that is curved, but all the movents IN the space.

Kindly Ivar Nielsen
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very concept of &#8220;Gravity&#8221; should really be separated in several parts.</p>
<p>1. The nuclear lumping part.<br />
2. The interaction of celestial objects.</p>
<p>AD 1: When a molecular cloud is hit by electric forces, electromagnetic fields are created and the cloud is set in a swirling movement via the angular momentum, accelerating and heating up gasses and dust to the plasma stage. This plasma are sorted out and lumped together via the electromagnetic circulation, creating larger spheres of gas and dust that becomes stars and planets etc. that are slung out from the swirling centre via the simple centrifugal force when the spheres becomes sufficiently heavier than the momentum in the swirling cloud.<br />
This is the general formation of galaxies and solar systems and here the &#8220;gravity contraction&#8221; is a build in force of electricity and magnetic field and not a separate force at all.</p>
<p>AD 2: The celestial interaction cannot be understood fully unless it is understood as a pushing force &#8211; mostly from the Sun and secondary from the galaxy. The Earth is under pressure form both these forces and the interaction of other celestial objects can only be understood as having a &#8220;directly pressure&#8221; or any form of &#8220;&#8221;shaded pressure&#8221; when planets and moons are in some kind of alignment or not.</p>
<p>The Pioneer anomaly is just a result of decreasing effect from the solar pressure and increasing effect from the galaxy &#8211; the very same interacting forces that creates the excentric orbiting plane of the solar system planets.</p>
<p>That is: The Newtonian laws of attraction should be completely dismissed and ditto with the Einstein &#8220;curvation of space&#8221; law. Every movement in the space is rotating, orbiting and swirling and as such moves in all kind of curves in the space. It is not the space itself that is curved, but all the movents IN the space.</p>
<p>Kindly Ivar Nielsen<br />
Natural Philosopher</p>
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		<title>By: Pythius Jang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pythius Jang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 19:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nothing else, you have to appreciate that Verlinde&#039;s theory is refreshing, in that Cinderella&#039;s ugly step sisters (string theory&#039;s 11+ dimensional universe, dark matter/energy, quantum loop gravity) now get a rest from trying to cram their crusty feet into the glass slipper (elegant, unified fundamental forces of nature).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nothing else, you have to appreciate that Verlinde&#8217;s theory is refreshing, in that Cinderella&#8217;s ugly step sisters (string theory&#8217;s 11+ dimensional universe, dark matter/energy, quantum loop gravity) now get a rest from trying to cram their crusty feet into the glass slipper (elegant, unified fundamental forces of nature).</p>
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		<title>By: Dov Henis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dov Henis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gravity Simplified
Gravity Is The Monotheism Of The Cosmos 


A. E=Total[m(1 + D)] 

Is the relationship between the cosmic energy(E), mass(m), and spatial expansion distance(D) since the cataclysmic E/m superposition resolution. 

At 10^-35 seconds since big bang, D was already a fraction of a second above zero. This is when gravity started. This is what started gravity. At this instance started the energy space texture, the straining of space texture, and started the space-texture-memory, gravity, that most probably will eventually overcome expansion and initiate impansion back to singularity, again. 

The clusters of galaxies behave as accelerating classical Newtonian bodies. Their motion is fueled with energy from myriads of mass-to-energy reconversions, in intertwined evolutions within the clusters. 


B. The mass-to-energy reconversions continuously diminish m, as D continuously increases 

The energy spent on increasing D, the clusters expansion, becomes the potential impansion energy that will eventually re-form singularity. This is gravity. This is the striving of the resolved-from-energy mass to return to its sigularity wholeness. 

m are ALL cosmic formats of mass, regardless of size and complexity, including astronomic-to-smallest-particle bodies and all energy-mass organizations such as black holes environs, biospheres-lifes, all sizes and varieties of spin-arrays. 


C. Mass is destined to dis-exist. It attempts to postpone-survive this by ingesting of energy 

The cosmic expansion will eventually nearly run out of fuel-energy, when at some value of D it will be overcome by gravity and impansion will thus set in. The universe will then revert towards singularity. D will go on a diminishing course and m will enter a growing course of evolution, very different from the present cosmic evolution course. 


D. Gravity Is The Monotheism Of The Cosmos 

The universe came into being with inflation, with the onset of gravity. Gravity has been setting the course and nature of all the aspects of its evolution. Gravity will eventually terminate cosmic expansion and reverse the course of cosmic evolution. 

Gravity Is The Monotheism Of The Cosmos 


Dov Henis 
(Comments From The 22nd Century) 

28Dec09 Implications Of E=Total[m(1 + D)] 
http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/184.page#4587 
Cosmic Evolution Simplified 
http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/240/122.page#4427</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gravity Simplified<br />
Gravity Is The Monotheism Of The Cosmos </p>
<p>A. E=Total[m(1 + D)] </p>
<p>Is the relationship between the cosmic energy(E), mass(m), and spatial expansion distance(D) since the cataclysmic E/m superposition resolution. </p>
<p>At 10^-35 seconds since big bang, D was already a fraction of a second above zero. This is when gravity started. This is what started gravity. At this instance started the energy space texture, the straining of space texture, and started the space-texture-memory, gravity, that most probably will eventually overcome expansion and initiate impansion back to singularity, again. </p>
<p>The clusters of galaxies behave as accelerating classical Newtonian bodies. Their motion is fueled with energy from myriads of mass-to-energy reconversions, in intertwined evolutions within the clusters. </p>
<p>B. The mass-to-energy reconversions continuously diminish m, as D continuously increases </p>
<p>The energy spent on increasing D, the clusters expansion, becomes the potential impansion energy that will eventually re-form singularity. This is gravity. This is the striving of the resolved-from-energy mass to return to its sigularity wholeness. </p>
<p>m are ALL cosmic formats of mass, regardless of size and complexity, including astronomic-to-smallest-particle bodies and all energy-mass organizations such as black holes environs, biospheres-lifes, all sizes and varieties of spin-arrays. </p>
<p>C. Mass is destined to dis-exist. It attempts to postpone-survive this by ingesting of energy </p>
<p>The cosmic expansion will eventually nearly run out of fuel-energy, when at some value of D it will be overcome by gravity and impansion will thus set in. The universe will then revert towards singularity. D will go on a diminishing course and m will enter a growing course of evolution, very different from the present cosmic evolution course. </p>
<p>D. Gravity Is The Monotheism Of The Cosmos </p>
<p>The universe came into being with inflation, with the onset of gravity. Gravity has been setting the course and nature of all the aspects of its evolution. Gravity will eventually terminate cosmic expansion and reverse the course of cosmic evolution. </p>
<p>Gravity Is The Monotheism Of The Cosmos </p>
<p>Dov Henis<br />
(Comments From The 22nd Century) </p>
<p>28Dec09 Implications Of E=Total[m(1 + D)]<br />
<a href="http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/184.page#4587" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/184.page#4587</a><br />
Cosmic Evolution Simplified<br />
<a href="http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/240/122.page#4427" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/240/122.page#4427</a></p>
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		<title>By: End-of-week reading &#171; Letters to Nature</title>
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		<dc:creator>End-of-week reading &#171; Letters to Nature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kendrew has a nice introductory post on gravity emerging through changes in entropy rather than being a force in its own right; the idea [...]</description>
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		<title>By: yoron</title>
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		<dc:creator>yoron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for an emergence, absolutely. Wouldn&#039;t it be nice to stop looking at it as a puzzle where the pieces become more and more, and &#039;smaller and smaller&#039;, with the dimensions as singular objects that we &#039;copy and paste&#039; as needed to explain some new geometric twist. If SpaceTime is a emergent system it should have a symmetry to it too it seems to me.

And CPT violations would then become?

I&#039;ve felt this way a long time, not that I thought of it as a holographic system though. And using &#039;entropy&#039; as the common nominator seems quite new ? I&#039;ve been considering &#039;time&#039; as that common nominator instead responsible for the ground from where all comes, and times arrow to be what arrange all that we see macroscopically. But maybe &#039;entropy&#039; is it? But if it is, doesn&#039;t that mean that time and it&#039;s arrow is the same thing 

I need to know more about his idea, and Thanu Padmanabhan&#039;s too.

Hey, not that I mind, I love learning this kind of things, it&#039;s the best brain gymnastics i know of :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for an emergence, absolutely. Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice to stop looking at it as a puzzle where the pieces become more and more, and &#8216;smaller and smaller&#8217;, with the dimensions as singular objects that we &#8216;copy and paste&#8217; as needed to explain some new geometric twist. If SpaceTime is a emergent system it should have a symmetry to it too it seems to me.</p>
<p>And CPT violations would then become?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve felt this way a long time, not that I thought of it as a holographic system though. And using &#8216;entropy&#8217; as the common nominator seems quite new ? I&#8217;ve been considering &#8216;time&#8217; as that common nominator instead responsible for the ground from where all comes, and times arrow to be what arrange all that we see macroscopically. But maybe &#8216;entropy&#8217; is it? But if it is, doesn&#8217;t that mean that time and it&#8217;s arrow is the same thing </p>
<p>I need to know more about his idea, and Thanu Padmanabhan&#8217;s too.</p>
<p>Hey, not that I mind, I love learning this kind of things, it&#8217;s the best brain gymnastics i know of <img src='http://sarahaskew.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: yoron</title>
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		<dc:creator>yoron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this one too by the theoretical physicist Thanu Padmanabhan. &#039;Equipartition of energy in the horizon degrees of freedom and the emergence of gravity.&#039; http://arxiv.org/pdf/0912.3165v2 coming out almost simultaneously</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this one too by the theoretical physicist Thanu Padmanabhan. &#8216;Equipartition of energy in the horizon degrees of freedom and the emergence of gravity.&#8217; <a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/0912.3165v2" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/pdf/0912.3165v2</a> coming out almost simultaneously</p>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by sarahkendrew: got my blog post together on gravity as an entropic force - is it the end of gravity as we know it? aaah! http://is.gd/7MmuJ...</description>
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